Comments on: The Martian’s Guide to American Politics http://blog.maxpersuasion.com/the-martians-guide-to-american-politics/ Persuasion Strategies for Opening Doors and Winning Favor with the Affluent. Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:01:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Kenrick E. Cleveland; Affluent Activator http://blog.maxpersuasion.com/the-martians-guide-to-american-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-196 Kenrick E. Cleveland; Affluent Activator Tue, 04 Sep 2007 06:48:26 +0000 http://maxpersuasion.com/blog/the-martians-guide-to-american-politics/#comment-196 [quote comment="187"]... So if a Martian wanted to influence an affluent politician who has 'demonstrated' undisciplined behavior, how would the Martians approach differ from how it would influence an affluent politician with a clean record of behavior? As I look at my life, I wonder if my persuasion/influence skills could have resulted in more positive sales by my having been more disciplined in both study and application?[/quote] Excellent questions, Nelson. I like the way you think. The first that comes to mind as I think of your 1st question is the 36 Chinese Stratagems. In particular: #16. Snag the enemy by letting him off the hook. And in general Stratagems 25 - 30. We've been going through these Stratagems in <a href="http://www.persuasionfactor.com/" rel="nofollow">The Persuasion Factor program</a> and showing how they can be used strategically in many ways. There are many more ways that we'll be getting into here, on the blog as we continue. Nelson said on September 3, 2007

... So if a Martian wanted to influence an affluent politician
who has 'demonstrated' undisciplined behavior, how would the Martians approach
differ from how it would influence an affluent politician with a clean record of
behavior?

As I look at my life, I wonder if my persuasion/influence skills could have
resulted in more positive sales by my having been more disciplined in both
study and application?

Excellent questions, Nelson. I like the way you think.

The first that comes to mind as I think of your 1st question is the 36 Chinese Stratagems. In particular:

#16. Snag the enemy by letting him off the hook.

And in general Stratagems 25 - 30.

We've been going through these Stratagems in The Persuasion Factor program and showing how they can be used strategically in many ways.

There are many more ways that we'll be getting into here, on the blog as we continue.

]]> By: Kenrick E. Cleveland; Affluent Activator http://blog.maxpersuasion.com/the-martians-guide-to-american-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-195 Kenrick E. Cleveland; Affluent Activator Tue, 04 Sep 2007 06:20:34 +0000 http://maxpersuasion.com/blog/the-martians-guide-to-american-politics/#comment-195 [quote comment="186"]Smart, funny, but even no hint of any solution. Face it - all you describe merely demonstrates what our society, including you, has produced to date.[/quote] Hi Jan, Yes, even I don't have all the answers to life's problems. :-) I'm hoping what I describe sheds light on the framing that is being used such that "we" can all begin to think - hopefully with more effectiveness. The purpose of what I wrote was not to "solve" the issues. The purpose is to make us think about the framing, the positioning - so we can begin to position what we do more effectively and with greater persuasive ability. For example, you adopted the frame of "solution" and imply that the understanding I pointed to in the article is "merely" what has been produced to date and since it points out what is (without a solution) it is in some way not valuable (or less valuable). There's further an implication that I *should* have or should be able to give a solution. You could summarize my frame in the article as pointing out how framing is being used in multiple real life examples to humorously shape politics. All of course, within a frame of fantasy. :-) (Among numerous other frames.) And that knowing how framing works can give us greater ability with it. And that there is value in being able to do that. Thus, the power of framing is, in my opinion, a very high level persuasion skill that is being used on us, for us and by us all the time. I'll continue to work to point out how we can gain control of these frames in our lives and use them to our advantage - among many other strategies, that will help point us in the direction of more easily turning things to our advantage. The monetary rewards of this, I'm sure, are quite apparent. Scientia est potentia Jan Jekielek said on September 3, 2007

Smart, funny, but even no hint of any solution. Face it - all you describe merely demonstrates what our society, including you, has produced to date.

Hi Jan,

Yes, even I don't have all the answers to life's problems. :-)

I'm hoping what I describe sheds light on the framing that is being used such that "we" can all begin to think - hopefully with more effectiveness.

The purpose of what I wrote was not to "solve" the issues. The purpose is to make us think about the framing, the positioning - so we can begin to position what we do more effectively and with greater persuasive ability.

For example, you adopted the frame of "solution" and imply that the understanding I pointed to in the article is "merely" what has been produced to date and since it points out what is (without a solution) it is in some way not valuable (or less valuable). There's further an implication that I *should* have or should be able to give a solution.

You could summarize my frame in the article as pointing out how framing is being used in multiple real life examples to humorously shape politics. All of course, within a frame of fantasy. :-) (Among numerous other frames.) And that knowing how framing works can give us greater ability with it. And that there is value in being able to do that.

Thus, the power of framing is, in my opinion, a very high level persuasion skill that is being used on us, for us and by us all the time.

I'll continue to work to point out how we can gain control of these frames in our lives and use them to our advantage - among many other strategies, that will help point us in the direction of more easily turning things to our advantage. The monetary rewards of this, I'm sure, are quite apparent.

Scientia est potentia

]]> By: Kenrick E. Cleveland; Affluent Activator http://blog.maxpersuasion.com/the-martians-guide-to-american-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-194 Kenrick E. Cleveland; Affluent Activator Tue, 04 Sep 2007 06:01:06 +0000 http://maxpersuasion.com/blog/the-martians-guide-to-american-politics/#comment-194 [quote comment="174"]So Kenrick, given how you feel about politics, and I totally agree with you, in what ways are you personally able to really have influence over the next couple of elections? I'm at a loss as to what I can do, other than rewrite and promote a liberty inspirational ebook www.survival2020.com But I'm sure you can do better? thanks[/quote] Nathan, I think we can bring these types of things to the attention of all those we can. In looking at how these issues are framed, we can start the process of people realizing there's more here than meets the eye. Awareness is the first step to change. Nathan Shaw said on September 2, 2007

So Kenrick, given how you feel about politics, and I totally agree with you, in what ways are you personally able to really have influence over the next couple of elections? I'm at a loss as to what I can do, other than rewrite and promote a liberty inspirational ebook http://www.survival2020.com

But I'm sure you can do better?

thanks

Nathan,

I think we can bring these types of things to the attention of all those we can. In looking at how these issues are framed, we can start the process of people realizing there's more here than meets the eye.

Awareness is the first step to change.

]]> By: Nelson http://blog.maxpersuasion.com/the-martians-guide-to-american-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-187 Nelson Mon, 03 Sep 2007 14:25:21 +0000 http://maxpersuasion.com/blog/the-martians-guide-to-american-politics/#comment-187 The Martians might conclude that politicians are crooked. That they are, or are liable to show themselves as undisciplined as the common earthlings that roam the streets. So if a Martian wanted to influence an affluent politician who has 'demonstrated' undisciplined behavior, how would the Martians approach differ from how it would influence an affluent politician with a clean record of behavior? As I look at my life, I wonder if my persuasion/influence skills could have resulted in more positive sales by my having been more disciplined in both study and application? The Martians might conclude that politicians are crooked. That they are,
or are liable to show themselves as undisciplined as the common earthlings that
roam the streets. So if a Martian wanted to influence an affluent politician
who has 'demonstrated' undisciplined behavior, how would the Martians approach
differ from how it would influence an affluent politician with a clean record of
behavior?

As I look at my life, I wonder if my persuasion/influence skills could have
resulted in more positive sales by my having been more disciplined in both
study and application?

]]> By: Jan Jekielek http://blog.maxpersuasion.com/the-martians-guide-to-american-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-186 Jan Jekielek Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:04:38 +0000 http://maxpersuasion.com/blog/the-martians-guide-to-american-politics/#comment-186 Smart, funny, but even no hint of any solution. Face it - all you describe merely demonstrates what our society, including you, has produced to date. Smart, funny, but even no hint of any solution. Face it - all you describe merely demonstrates what our society, including you, has produced to date.

]]> By: Nathan Shaw http://blog.maxpersuasion.com/the-martians-guide-to-american-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-174 Nathan Shaw Sun, 02 Sep 2007 09:13:09 +0000 http://maxpersuasion.com/blog/the-martians-guide-to-american-politics/#comment-174 So Kenrick, given how you feel about politics, and I totally agree with you, in what ways are you personally able to really have influence over the next couple of elections? I'm at a loss as to what I can do, other than rewrite and promote a liberty inspirational ebook www.survival2020.com But I'm sure you can do better? thanks So Kenrick, given how you feel about politics, and I totally agree with you, in what ways are you personally able to really have influence over the next couple of elections? I'm at a loss as to what I can do, other than rewrite and promote a liberty inspirational ebook http://www.survival2020.com

But I'm sure you can do better?

thanks

]]> By: Ed http://blog.maxpersuasion.com/the-martians-guide-to-american-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-166 Ed Sat, 01 Sep 2007 06:59:08 +0000 http://maxpersuasion.com/blog/the-martians-guide-to-american-politics/#comment-166 I agree with what you say. I think we should also extend the courtesy of including the lesser politicians, and the government workers who are in an authority position. From my experience, they are more egotistical and do everything they can to show how powerful they are. They have to show that they have more power than the big boys to help inflate their egos. I agree with what you say. I think we should also extend the courtesy of
including the lesser politicians, and the government workers who are in an
authority position. From my experience, they are more egotistical and do
everything they can to show how powerful they are. They have to show
that they have more power than the big boys to help inflate their egos.

]]> By: Patricia Winston http://blog.maxpersuasion.com/the-martians-guide-to-american-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-160 Patricia Winston Sat, 01 Sep 2007 01:01:33 +0000 http://maxpersuasion.com/blog/the-martians-guide-to-american-politics/#comment-160 Yes, Kenrick, you got it right - I was highly insulted by their questioning and only one other woman at the table felt the same. The others - well, God help us:) Yes, Kenrick, you got it right - I was highly insulted by their questioning and only one other woman at the table felt the same. The others - well, God help us:)

]]> By: Cesar G. Gutierrez http://blog.maxpersuasion.com/the-martians-guide-to-american-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-159 Cesar G. Gutierrez Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:04:38 +0000 http://maxpersuasion.com/blog/the-martians-guide-to-american-politics/#comment-159 I would like to see "none of the above" on the ballot, like in the movie, Brewster's Millions with Richard Pryor. I would like to see "none of the above" on the ballot, like in the movie, Brewster's Millions with Richard Pryor.

]]> By: Kenrick E. Cleveland; Affluent Activator http://blog.maxpersuasion.com/the-martians-guide-to-american-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-153 Kenrick E. Cleveland; Affluent Activator Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:07:16 +0000 http://maxpersuasion.com/blog/the-martians-guide-to-american-politics/#comment-153 [quote comment="151"]... I pointed out that the 500 members of congress are representative of all the positive potential and negative imperfections of the human race. I stated that if the American laborer isn't given these considerations, why would we authorize them for a senator? I gave testimony about people I knew in the senate that had crossed the line on the dark side - child molesting, alcholism, drug problems, marital infidelity, and also testimony about people who are walking the straight and narrow - at least they hadn't attracted bad press. The reception for my speech was a loud gasp by all sitting at the table. The focus group leader was having a difficult time getting order and he just glared at me for bringing the punch. ...[/quote] Way to go Patricia. What is interesting to me about what you wrote is that this person was trying to point out why they were "special" before even being elected. What an ego! (If I understood what you wrote correctly). Patricia Winston said on August 31, 2007

... I pointed out that the 500 members of congress are representative of all the positive potential and negative imperfections of the human race.

I stated that if the American laborer isn't given these considerations, why would we authorize them for a senator? I gave testimony about people I knew in the senate that had crossed the line on the dark side - child molesting, alcholism, drug problems, marital infidelity, and also testimony about people who are walking the straight and narrow - at least they hadn't attracted bad press.

The reception for my speech was a loud gasp by all sitting at the table. The focus group leader was having a difficult time getting order and he just glared at me for bringing the punch. ...

Way to go Patricia.

What is interesting to me about what you wrote is that this person was trying to point out why they were "special" before even being elected. What an ego! (If I understood what you wrote correctly).

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